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Personal Testimony


by Mr Paul Hayden


Before going to Church

I am not from a church-going family. My first notion that there was something wrong in the world was around 1963 at the age of seven, when I saw people in the street not using zebra crossings correctly. They were not pressing the button and waiting for the man to turn green, but cutting corners, crossing away from the black and white stripes and/or when the man was on red. I couldn’t bear it. I remember screaming once, to an unknown deity, “Take me away!”

Another incident was when I was about thirteen. I hated sport because I couldn’t see the point of it. I remember being forced to play football at school, and in one match I was the only person apart from the goalkeeper between a rapidly advancing member of the opposite team and the goal. I just stood there and made no attempt to stop him. My fellow team-mates were screaming at me, “Why didn’t you try to stop him?” To which I replied, “Why?” They all looked at me as though I was completely mad. Yet, nobody actually answered my simple, straight-forward question. It was not a difficult question to understand. Neither did I mumble, I spoke clearly so that they could all hear. I really, genuinely wanted to know the answer. I am still looking for an answer to that question today.

About this time, I started a club (as most children do at that age). It was called “HARUS,” which stood for “Hayden’s Anti-Religion Society” (sorry, I can’t remember what the U stood for). I couldn’t see the point in any religion. I thought they were all a waste of time. None of them seemed logical. Nobody joined my society, but I got opposition from some children from church-going families. None of them, however, said anything to convince me to change my mind on these things. They just showed disapproval, without telling me why. I found that so frustrating. Just answer my question, “Why?” and I might reconsider. But nobody did.

My grandfather, who died when I was nine, gave me a Bible for Christmas shortly before his death. I liked the colour photographs and charts, but never read it, and it was left on my shelf. I remember asking my parents later for a Koran, simply so I could “have the set,” because I didn’t believe any of these religions.

At the age of eighteen (1974), I went to university. Immediately I left school, I lost all my friends; none of the few people who put up with me at school was in the slightest bit interested in continuing a friendship after leaving. I went to the University of East Anglia in Norwich, to study Chemistry, which was my favourite subject at school. I spent three years at university, but didn’t do any work at all in the final year, because I had come to the conclusion that even studying Chemistry, my favourite subject at school, was pointless. Why learn all these things? Why? So I didn’t get a degree.

In 1977, with three other friends who had also “dropped out” of university, we all decided to start a new life in Bristol. One of them professed to be a Christian, and took me along once to his church, a Charismatic Anglican church. To anyone who knows Bristol, I only need mention the name “Pip’n’Jay” and you will know exactly which church I mean. The (Anglican) church of St Philip and St Jacob was a rip-roaring success story (at least numerically) as lots of young people flocked there for its lively Charismatic gatherings. But I saw that it was all an outward show, and again began to question the whole thing. At this point I did try to read the Bible, and started, logically I thought, at the beginning. By the time I got to Exodus, I had given in. What was the point of all these animal sacrifices, and seemingly pointless rules and regulations? My friend who invited me to church in the first place, turned out not to be a true Christian after all, and left the church, flirting with the gay scene for a while before shacking himself up with a woman elsewhere in the city and claiming to be a white witch.

On December 25th 1977, one of the four of us having left Bristol for his home by then, the three of us who were still there had “Christmas” lunch together. Unbeknown to each other, both of the other two had arranged to do other things in the evening, one went to his lady friend’s house and the other to his gay club. They did feel genuinely guilty for leaving me on my own that evening, but it was obviously not deliberate on either part, so I didn’t think anything of it. I went back to my bed-sit. Having nothing else to do, I picked up my grandfather’s Bible and started reading it, this time from the beginning of the New Testament. I had never read anything like it before. I just knew that this Jesus that I was reading about had the right answers. Even though I did not know any theology, and had no background in any church matters whatsoever, I could see that He:

….taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.”  Matthew 7:29.

I prayed to God at that moment (something I had never done or thought about before) that if He existed He should let me know. This indeed He did. I suddenly realised that, not only did He exist, but also that everything He said in this book was true, good and right. Many years later, I told someone about my conversion, and they were amazed that I had never come across the Beatitudes (Matthew 5:3-12) before. They assumed everyone had heard of them, and been brought up with them. But that isn’t true. I hadn’t, for a start! And I thought they were wonderful!
   
Now I was a “Christian” I started to read my Bible every day, because I loved it. I copied out the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew chapters 5-7) by hand and put it on my wall. I loved it. I had not wanted to do any of these things before, such as read my Bible or pray, but the new life given by God to the believer really changes his behaviour to stop doing things he enjoyed before regeneration, and to start doing things he wouldn’t have otherwise thought about, after regeneration. This is the life of the truly converted Christian, when God grants him faith and repentance to cease from wanting to sin and to rather seek righteousness and to love the very law that otherwise would have condemned him if God had not granted these gifts to him.


Going to Church

Unitarian Church, Oaklands Road, Bristol (March 1978)

One of the things I now wanted to do was go to church. Oh dear, the problems began here! I had never before been to church except for a handful of weddings and funerals, so I had no idea about all the different denominations, what they taught, why they existed and how they operated. I assumed that everyone in the churches had had exactly the same experience as me, and been brought to love their Bibles too! So I simply went to the church six doors down the road from where I was living at the time in Bristol. Being the nearest church, this was the logical place to go. It was a Unitarian church. There were only six people at the service, including the minister, the organist and myself. I remember the sermon being about the difference between the “supernatural” and the “supranatural,” but that is all I can remember about it! I did not know at the time of course, but Unitarians deny the deity of Christ, a fundamental doctrine of the faith. If Christ is not God he is not to be worshipped and adored. This is clearly wrong. However, not knowing any of these things at the time, I moved from that church straightaway to an Anglican church for no other reason than that I wanted to go to a church with a few more people in it. God even uses our carnal reasoning in His providence to His own ends, to the praise of His glory.

Christ Church, Clifton (Anglican) (1978-1982)

I went to this Anglican church, Christ Church, Clifton, for nearly four years. It called itself “evangelical” in that the Bible was used and studied to some degree, so I received some teaching, if only on, what I would describe now as a very superficial level. They were very well organised. New people in the church were encouraged to go to “Christian Basics” classes midweek, of which there were two, each lasting one term (ten weeks). After going through “Christian Basics I” and “Christian Basics II,” I was then put into the weekly Bible study group nearest my home. There was also a meeting on a Tuesday night for “young people” like me. However, I didn’t like going to these, because they became huge social meetings, which I found miserable, because they seemed to be solely for people who wanted huge social lives. I would just have been grateful for one or two friends. So I soon gave up going to these meetings.

The church was so big that after three and a half years in it, people were still coming up to me after the service and asking if I was a visitor. In any case, shortly afterwards I moved to Bangor, North Wales, with my work, where I lived for the next twenty years.

English Methodist Church, High Street, Bangor (Methodist) (1983)

For some reason unbeknown to me, I knew that all of the Anglican churches in the Bangor area did not use the Bible, or at least didn’t believe a word of it, so, I went to the English Methodists. Again, as a “young person,” I was encouraged to go to the Sunday evening “fellowship” at the manse. I only went twice and couldn’t stand any more of it. Unless you love huge social events, which I didn’t, it was a complete waste of time. The people who regularly attended these meetings want an enormous social life, and love to be seen to be happy and full of life by as many people as possible. I really find all this false, and rather longed for one person to be a real friend. So, again, no success.

One day, I was listening to a sermon in the church, and the speaker told us that the book of Daniel was written in the time of the Maccabees, long after most of the prophecies in it had been fulfilled. He also told us that it wasn’t a real history, but just a book of fables written to spur the Jews on in their faith during the Maccabean period. I thus found out that they didn’t believe a word of the Bible either, so after a few months in this church, I moved on again.

Penrallt English Baptist Church, Bangor (Baptist Union) (1983-1988)

I decided to go to Penrallt English Baptist Church, which was then in a building just off Glanrafon Hill (they have since moved to Holyhead Road, and the Welsh Evangelicals now occupy their old building). These people seemed to use their Bibles, even more so than in Christ Church, Clifton, and certainly more than in the Methodist church. So I started going there, and indeed became a member, and was there for nearly five years.

Again, church people just seemed to want their enormous social life. Nobody seemed to want to befriend anyone properly, despite everyone talking about how we should love one another. I went to the social events, and indeed made a few acquaintances there, but it always seemed like they just tolerated me, rather than really wanted me around. I didn’t complain though, but was grateful for any fellowship.

At Penrallt, I had noticed a distinct decline in the worship of God in the five years I was there. When I first went there it was all traditional hymns, with maybe one of the more modern “choruses” introduced during the morning service as a sort of innovation. By the time I left, there was a twenty-minute slot led by the “worship band” which was all choruses. After I left, they introduced a new Baptist hymn-book which incorporated some of the more popular “choruses” into its very pages. Some of these were popular for a time whilst the book was being compiled, but upon publication were going well out of fashion already. The hymns, even though they are a man-made imposition on true worship and I wouldn’t sing them now, have at least lasted over 100 years, whereas the choruses don’t last 100 days before people are bored with them and have to invent new ones. Nowadays, people just want their sixty minutes of getting a “high” (like being on heroin) and that will be enough to keep them going for the rest of the week.

Towards the end of my time there (time to move on again!), I went to a weekend “houseparty” organised by the church at Living Waters Christian Conference centre in Dolwen, near Colwyn Bay. (I understand this has since closed down). I went with them all on the coach. The Friday night was dire, as we all had to play silly games to get to know each other (We knew each other anyway, because we were all from the same church!). I nearly went home then. Saturday afternoon was all right, we simply went for a walk in the hills, which was very enjoyable. But as they were preparing for the Sunday morning service, I could see that I wasn’t going to like it. They had put animal masks beneath every seat, and I could tell that we were going to have to dress up as animals out of Noah’s Ark, and jump around the room. That was it. I remember trying to leave on Saturday, but I changed my mind, and came back after going half a mile. But on the Sunday morning, I said to myself, “I’m really not going to do this.” So I left, walked four miles into Colwyn Bay and got a bus home.

The reason I finally left Penrallt was that I got to know some students from Ebenezer Evangelical Church, St Paul’s Terrace, Bangor and they started telling me about the difference between “Arminianism” and “Calvinism.” Now I had not heard these words before (they are hidden from public view in Arminian churches, making you believe that Arminianism is the only form of Christianity there is), but I found that the difference all boiled down to whether one believed that man had free will or not. If he did, then Arminianism was the correct system of doctrine (all the “points” of each doctrinal system hang together, if one doctrine is right all the others in the system are right, and if one is wrong all the others in the system are too); whereas if man did not have free will, then Calvinism was the correct system of doctrine. Now a lot of people say that doctrine does not matter, it is love that counts. However, if that were to be so, then people who call themselves “Christian” but don’t go to any church would be just as right as the church-going Christian, as the Muslim and as the Satanist. One has to believe some doctrine to have any kind of faith or belief system at all. Objectively, in the end, there is only one absolute truth. Taking a ridiculous example to prove the point, if the moon is really made of green cheese, we can believe that it is made of rock and dust all we like. We can even believe that men have been there and brought some of this rock and dust back to prove it, but if that is not the truth, then no matter how much we say we believe it, and indeed can convince ourselves of any “evidence” we believe exists to prove our position, we are still believing a lie if, absolutely, it is not so. Now in the case of the moon, it is not particularly important whether we know the truth about its constituency or not, but in the case of eternal matters such as heaven and hell, the final judgment and the things of God, it really is pretty important.

Now, nobody on this earth knows all things. We are all growing:

...in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.” 2 Peter 3:18.

Also, we all come from different backgrounds. So there are always going to be differences between individual believers if you look hard enough. However, there is finally only one objective truth, and major doctrines such as heaven and hell, the deity of Christ etc. are vital to come to a knowledge of, if we are to understand what salvation to eternal life is all about. Coming to a knowledge of the truth is vital:

...who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 2:4.

Anyway, back to the doctrinal difference I mentioned earlier. Because I had been in an Arminian Baptist church for nearly five years (and other Arminian churches before that) I had been indoctrinated into their system of belief. So when these students came along and told me I hadn’t got free will, I was rather annoyed at them! Of course I have free will, I can freely choose to do something or not to do something, that’s easy! Anyway, these discussions at least got my mind thinking around these issues, and after six months of this, I woke up one morning and realised that for five years at Penrallt, and several years before that in the Methodists and Anglicans, I had been taught a lie. It was like having my legs kicked from under me. Man has not got free will at all. All he can do is sin. The depth of my depravity really came home to me and I realised that in all conscience I must leave Penrallt and go to Ebenezer Evangelical Church, as this was the church in town that had the reputation of being “Calvinistic.” So I moved churches.

Several years later, I came across some people from Penrallt, and they invited me to a weekend of “Fun and Fellowship” at a conference centre in Rhyd Ddu that they had organised. I wasn’t interested, but I went for the walk on the Saturday. I am glad I didn’t go for the whole weekend. I made the mistake of asking who their guest speaker for the weekend was. There was an embarrassed silence. That is when I found out that the “fun and fellowship” weekend was just that – fun and fellowship. Nothing else. No teaching, just fun and fellowship. What’s the point? All the churches are going this way. They only see “church” as being “fun and fellowship” with each other, and God is completely ignored.

Ebenezer Evangelical Church, St. Paul’s Terrace, Bangor (Independent Evangelical) (1988-1996)

In Ebenezer, they had a weekly Bible study and a weekly prayer meeting. However, the Bible study was stopped just before I started going there. I should have noticed this as a warning sign then. Any church that drops an opportunity to study the Bible and thinks that the prayer meeting is “the most important meeting of the week” is a church which has a low view of God’s Word and thinks too highly of themselves. Prayer meetings in these churches are more for people who like telling God what to do. “Oh God, why don’t you do this, Oh God, why don’t you do that. If I was you, I’d do the other...” In any case, despite these things, I stayed in Ebenezer for seven years.

There was regular expository Bible teaching in the pulpit every Lord's Day, which was reasonable, and some of the people there could at least talk about Biblical things, although certainly not all of them by any means. But as the months went by, I found out that, after my student friends (who had introduced me to “Calvinism”) had left, the church was not as “Calvinistic” as its reputation had led me to believe it would be. Indeed I remember finding out that one of the most well-respected ministers amongst the Evangelicals in North Wales, whom everybody loved, showed himself to be a gross Arminian. And he was not the only one. Even they had not understood the Calvinistic system of doctrine correctly.

By the time I left Ebenezer, a decline in the worship, remarkably similar to Penrallt, was beginning to happen, with the introduction of just one chorus in the morning service to start with.... That wasn’t the reason I left Ebenezer though. No, I left because I exposed impropriety in the eldership, and they did not like me doing that.

I must mention what happened, but I have to say here that most so-called “Christians” today would not agree with me on this. Most of them would consider it to be the unforgivable sin to complain about the church in any way. It will be “rocking the boat” and a “bad witness” to unbelievers. However, in my defence, I must say first of all, look at John’s letters to the seven churches of Asia (Revelation chapters 2 & 3). John is most of all concerned with truth and righteousness rather than whether he is “rocking the boat” or not. Secondly, the whole reason that Christianity exists is that it is primarily concerned with morality. It is all about right and wrong. God defines what is right and what is wrong. The true believer must love righteousness and hate wickedness. I hasten to add of course that justification is by grace through faith alone. We do not get to heaven by our works, because none of us can be perfect. Even so, the greatest problem in the churches today is “Antinomianism,” namely a belief that we can’t keep the law (which is a correct statement) therefore God does not require us to do so (which is a very wrong conclusion). This leads to a whole generation believing that the Ten Commandments do not matter (how many people today even know what they all are??!), and that true religion is just a matter of how we feel and how we get on with one another. The whole point of true religion has been lost. Let’s get this right. We can’t keep the law because we are slaves to sin, yet God still rightly demands that we keep it. After all,

God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.” Ecclesiastes 7:29.

We are called to be holy for God is holy. Believers are justified by Christ’s righteousness being imputed to them and their sin to Christ. However, this does not mean that they can then do what they like, far from it:

Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; as obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.” 1 Peter 1:13-19.

We are to love righteousness and hate wickedness. That is the calling of the true believer. Even though he still sins a thousand times a day in thought and word and deed whilst he is in this wretched earthly body, he is still called to have a heart that hates sin and that hungers and thirsts after righteousness:

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.” Matthew 5:6.

Loving righteousness and hating wickedness is the life of the Christian. If he does this he will keep himself from sin, he will be a light shining in the darkness and he will on the Last Day be ushered into glory to be with his Lord.

To love one another is of course a good, right and proper thing to do as well, after all God commands us to do this, but what is love?

Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.”  Romans 13:10.

Loving one’s neighbour involves the law, i.e. righteousness, i.e. keeping the Ten Commandments.

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments...” 1 John 5:2,3.

Only when our relationship with God is right, which is expressed by loving God and keeping his commandments, is our relationship with each other then right also. So many “Christians” spend all their time working at their relationships with one another, not seeing that this is futile. They should be “working at” their relationship with God. If this is right, the rest falls into place easily. Charity (i.e. love):

...rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth.”  1 Corinthians 13:6.

That is my defence for the position I took when I stood up against impropriety in the eldership of Ebenezer Evangelical Church in the face of the vast majority who simply thought I was a troublemaker “rocking the boat.”

The situation was that the church had a permanent minister and an associate minister who was just on a three year contract. During this three years, the associate minister had access into the upper echelons of the “Officers Meetings” as they are called, where all the decision-making took place. He discovered several places where the “Church Officers” were not doing their duty properly as elders and deacons, one of which was not visiting the flock. The point here is that because he put his finger on a few inconsistencies in the eldership, the elders were not really very keen on him.

Well now then, the permanent minister announced his retirement a long time in advance. If I remember it was many months beforehand, although I can’t remember exactly how many. Because an associate minister was already in place in the church, the elders could not easily pass him by when looking for a replacement for the permanent minister. So, reluctantly it seemed to me, they asked the members' meeting if they would vote on whether the associate minister’s name should be put forward to be considered for the job as the next permanent minister of the church (notice that it wasn't a straight-forward vote for him to be the next minister, rather a vote as to merely whether his name was to be put forward - which makes it so plain that the elders didn't really want him). A two-thirds majority in favour was needed, and as the number of members in the church was somewhere in the thirties, each vote counted for about three percent of the total, so every vote was very important. As God is my witness I distinctly remember the permanent minister saying just before the vote that any abstentions would have to be counted in the total number of votes cast. This is important, because depending on whether one counts the abstentions in the total number of votes cast or not, it becomes slightly easier or harder to get the two-thirds majority required. If you do count the abstentions as part of the total, it makes it slightly harder to get the two-thirds majority, as the total is still the total number there eligible to vote. If you don’t count the abstentions as part of the total, the total goes down to the total number eligible to vote minus the number of abstentions, hence it is easier to get a two-thirds majority because the total number decreases and each vote counts as more of a percentage of the total. By the permanent minister announcing that the abstentions would count in the total number of votes, he was making it slightly harder for a two-thirds majority to be achieved – which would have suited the elders very nicely as they did not want the associate minister to win the vote.

However, there is still no real problem as yet, because at least they announced how the voting was going to take place, and exactly what the status of abstentions was going to be, before the actual vote, so the rules were crystal clear. In fact, the vote fell just short of the two-thirds majority required whichever way the abstentions were counted, so the vote was clearly against the associate minister and there was no problem.

A couple of months later, another potential minister came along. He was interviewed in the members' meeting and came for a couple of trial sermons etc. as usual. (Incidentally, just in passing, in the members' meeting I asked what qualifications he had for the ministry, and the answer was that he had a PhD in Geography – i.e. no theological training at all!). Anyway, the time came for the vote to take place on whether to call him to be the new minister. I assumed that the abstentions would be counted in the total number of votes cast as before, so I did not say anything about it beforehand, as I saw no need to. When one of the elders came in to announce the result, he said that there were so many votes in favour, so many against and three abstentions. Now I had quickly worked out that if one did count the number of abstentions in the total number then the candidate would not have got the two-thirds majority, whereas if one didn’t count the abstentions in the total number he would have got the two-thirds majority. So when the elder announced that result and then said that the church will therefore be extending a call to the man, I had to speak up and say that they had changed the rules since the last occasion. An acrimonious exchange took place between various members, and it was eventually decided to have a re-ballot.

I had to point out that they had changed the rules. I wouldn’t mind which set of rules they stuck to, whether one counted the abstentions in the total number or not, so long as they were consistent throughout, which they were obviously not prepared to be (to their own ends). The funny thing was that in the re-ballot, one of the abstentions changed their vote to a “No” vote and the two-thirds majority was never reached however the votes were counted,  so this candidate never came!

People’s attitudes to me were very interesting after this incident. To the vast majority, I was the troublemaker, “rocking the boat” and therefore bringing the name of Christ into disrepute in most people’s eyes. To five others, they saw exactly my point, and it was a privilege to know these people. The majority were worshipping the “church.” Their beloved “church,” which they had either grown up in or at least been in a long time, could do no wrong and the unity of their tinpot little church in the back of beyond became their all-consuming passion. “We must love one another and not divide at all costs” was their cry. Whereas the five who agreed with me and myself would rather say:

We ought to obey God rather than men.” Acts 5:29.

Doing what is right is a million times more important than visible unity in any organisation. I stand firm on this, and if I am misunderstood by being thought of as a troublemaker, there is nothing I can do about it. I would rather be in my shoes on the Day of Judgment than the shoes of those who worship the great god “church.”

After the incident of the meeting described above, I wrote a letter of complaint to the elders, most of the contents of which I have forgotten (I wish I had kept a copy now, so I could have reproduced it here), but one phrase sticks in my mind and that is I stated that “this political manoeuvring stinks.” This was true, it does. I do not regret writing a word of it, because it is the truth. However, the elders did not like it at all. The following Lord’s Day, after the evening service, one of them took me into the church library on my own and harangued me for half an hour, giving his take on things. I can’t remember much of what was said now, so I don’t want to put words into his, or my, mouth, but I remember afterwards almost feeling like I had been dragged along the carpet backwards and dumped in a heap. It was an interesting experience actually, because it showed me the power the more dominating sorts of people can exert over other people. If I had taken him seriously, as many people could so easily have done, I would have been a quivering heap of jelly on the floor afterwards, believing that everything I had done, the unrest in the church etc. etc., was my fault. That indeed was his intention, but the support I got was excellent, and I know that what he said was just a psychological ploy to get me to shut up and stop rocking the boat in his cosy little church.

Consequently, I was summoned to appear before the elders to explain my letter. The other elder used modern psychological techniques with the intention of breaking me. This is a warning to anyone reading this who may cross the path of someone with management or psychology “skills” (so-called), so I carefully enumerate them here:


  • (1) He began by letting me say whatever I wanted, so I did. He wasn’t really listening beyond maybe trying to catch me in something overtly obvious I might have said, but this was a classic attempt to try to make me believe that I was being listened to and given a fair "trial" (which of course I wasn't).
  • (2) Then, he said that he was really hurt by what I had written. This was using emotional blackmail in trying to make me feel guilty.
  • (3) He then came out with the statement, “I am not capable of political manoeuvring” (a denial of my basic criticism). This was in my mind an amazing statement because he had worked as a Consultant at the local hospital for many years and had a reputation amongst all the staff there of being just that - a political manoeuvrer! Now, one can never accuse anyone of anything just because people say it, I have no evidence to back this claim, so I cannot accuse him of this at all, but it seems more than coincidence that nearly everyone who knew him at the hospital thinks the same way about him, and here he is telling me he is not capable of it! Anyway, after this,
  • (4) Looking me straight in the eye as if to hypnotise me, he ended his performance by coming out with the statement, “The problem is not with me, it’s with you!” These were his exact words. This was his final throw -him -on -the -floor -and- leave -him -like -a- lump -of -jelly statement.


  • All of this is a classic piece of management/psychology technique. Let them have their say, use the guilt tactics, deny everything, then harangue them until they are squirming on the floor. If I had not known he was using a technique on me, I would have believed everything he had said and really would have ended up in a psychiatric hospital. But God is good to His people and keeps them in the truth and in righteousness, and I walked away from that meeting unscathed, knowing that the only way forward, with such elders in the church, was to resign.

    Over the next few months all six of us who saw through the sham left the church. We did not do it in a great show of protest all at once. We did it individually, in some cases without any of the other five knowing we had done it, for a while. I can only vouch for my case, but I know it was the right thing to do.  I sent a letter of resignation to the Secretary of the church, stating that my having come to a position of embracing Presbyterianism and Paedobaptism makes my membership in an Independent Baptist church not in keeping with my beliefs. I also stated that I had nothing against the ordinary members as individuals there. Maybe I was wrong in just writing this and not mentioning the problem with the elders. The reasons were true of course, and indeed legitimate reasons for leaving when my beliefs no longer tallied with the Confession of Faith of the church, but I still wonder whether I should have also stated that I could no longer tolerate being in the same church as these elders. Maybe I should have done.

    Some people have since suggested that I should just forget the differences I have with these elders and return to the church. The thing is that my Christian faith teaches me that I should not do that. Many people think that Christianity is all about forgiving everybody, everything, unconditionally. But this is just not true because God does not do this. God only forgives repentant sinners. In the case of salvation, of course, God gives to the elect the faith and repentance necessary, which otherwise they would not have. But the point is that there is never any forgiveness in God without repentance in man, and therefore there should never be any forgiveness in us without repentance from the other party either.

    Many people quote the following to back up their claim that we should forgive unconditionally:

    Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.” Luke 17:3,4.

    However, the three little words “if he repent” are usually glossed over without being noticed. We must only forgive someone “if he repent.” Of course we must then accept a simple verbal statement of repentance. We cannot tell if they have truly repented from the heart, and we are not called to discern such a thing. In the case of the elders of Ebenezer and myself, I have done nothing wrong in this matter, so I can’t repent because I have nothing to repent of. The elders refuse to even give a verbal statement of wrong, let alone repentance, so I must in all conscience not forgive them. To ask me to bury the hatchet and come back to the church, assumes that the church has done no wrong, i.e. the church is elevated above truth and righteousness.

    Also, as I found out in my case, the vast majority of ordinary members in a church will always blindly side with the elders because they are terrified of “rocking the boat,” or at least being seen to do so.

    After these events someone wrote in Evangelical Times extolling the virtues of Congregationalism, so I felt I had to respond. This was published in September 1996:

    After having read Bill Clark’s article “Church discipline – a case for independency” in the August issue of your paper, I feel I must point out that the Presbyterian church government is clearly the biblical approach, as witnessed by the early church in Acts 15 forming a synod to discuss an important matter affecting the church as a whole.
    In the independent church system, if anyone has a complaint against someone, especially against the leadership, and if the leaders either will not listen or fail to deal with the problem properly, then there is no other court of appeal to go to. Elders can therefore behave like little Hitlers in their own patch and there is nothing anyone can do to stop them as they are answerable to no-one. A complaint against the leadership could be taken to the congregational church meeting, but usually the bulk of the congregation will back the elders and regard anyone who criticises them as being a troublemaker. These people are worshipping a church rather than God. In any case, congregations are not qualified to judge matters of church discipline and should never be allowed to do so.
    Some of the more dominating personalities, men who can attract a following behind them, end up solving the problem by ‘splitting’ the church and starting their own little empire down the road. England and Wales especially have a plethora of tinpot little evangelical churches of all shapes and forms, which have sprung up everywhere, each one having no or very little relationship with its neighbour. This anarchy cannot be a good witness for the gospel to the people outside of the church, and is surely grievous to the Saviour.


    Two responses came, one saying I wasn’t being very gracious, and the other (also from Gwynedd as it happened) again in praise of Congregationalism. Neither response refuted any of my arguments; they just ignored them.

    Protestant Reformed Churches of America (PRC) (1995-1998)

    During the latter part of my time at Ebenezer, finding out things were not right, and realising that a lot of well-respected men in the Evangelical Movement of Wales were gross Arminians underneath the façade, I got involved with the Protestant Reformed Churches of America for a while. This was due to the fact that the British Reformed Fellowship had been started, and that they were beginning to hold occasional meetings in Wrexham. So I went along. This seemed to be far better than what I was getting at Ebenezer. So I started inviting other people from Ebenezer to come along to the meetings. The hierarchy of Ebenezer didn’t like this. In fact the situation arose such that more of us from Bangor were attending the meetings in Wrexham than people from the Wrexham area itself, so the PRC minister who was speaking at the Wrexham meetings suggested starting meetings in Bangor. So we started them, all the time still being members of Ebenezer. We held about eight or nine meetings in Bangor, culminating with the visit of the minister’s father, who was a professor in the church’s seminary, over one summer. Whilst the minister we had dealings with was fairly easy-going with us, his father certainly was not. He did not like the fact that we used the Westminster Confession, and he particularly didn’t like the fact that we wouldn’t blindly follow but insisted in thinking through things first. We therefore would not blindly take on board some of the peculiarities of the PRC such as denial of a “Covenant of Works” with Adam, or their view on Divorce and Remarriage, or their view on musical instruments in worship and so on.

    I remember holding a series of Bible study groups in my flat in 1998, and I taped them all. However, after a particularly vigorous debate on worship practices, the next week at the following Bible study, the professor switched the tape recorder off himself before the (usually lively) question and answer session. He did not want it recorded for posterity! Another time I remember he once gave his (i.e. the PRC’s) view on the Millennium, during which he ridiculed premillennialists, by refuting dispensationalism. But most of the group were premillennialists who weren’t dispensationalists at all, so the professor was made to look very silly.

    It soon became evident that the PRC, particularly the professor, wanted us to blindly follow, and nothing short of that would do. We couldn’t do that, so after that summer was over, we did not organise any more meetings. Meetings are still held today in South Wales by the PRC church from Ballymena.

    One of the PRC’s peculiar views is their believing that all single men (such as myself) should be aggressively hunting for a wife. I loathe this attitude; it makes men's behaviour seem no better than the animals. After an editorial appeared in the British Reformed Journal that said that single people like myself were not “normal,” I felt I had to write a letter in response, which was published in issue 39, Autumn/Winter 2003/4, and which stated my beliefs on the subject:

    It seems to me that the editorial, together with all the literature from the Protestant Reformed Churches I have ever read, definitely give the strong impression that single people are second class Christians. Of course this would be denied, but the fact remains that single people are regarded as not being, to use a word in the editorial, "normal." I must object to this in the strongest terms. The attitude seems to be that if single people (especially men) are not aggressively hunting for marriage partners, then they are sinning against God. This is at least the impression given. I would say that exactly the opposite is true. It is animals and godless men who aggressively hunt for mates, and I am thoroughly convinced that such activity is truly and properly sin. Christians should have no part in that sort of thing. It is the Lord in His providence that either provides or does not provide a life partner, not we who should go hunting of our own accord. There are plenty of people, both male and female, who have never met anyone of the opposite sex who would be in the slightest bit interested in even the thought of having them as a marriage partner. There are plenty more who have had someone interested in them for a time but have been let down or rejected. None of these are sinning against God for not hunting enough. Rather, they understand it as being God's providence that he has put them in the position of being single. We should all praise the Lord for whatever position he chooses to put his people in, whether married with a large family, married with no children, single, widowed, etc. etc. Whatever position the Lord puts us in we should learn therewith to be content, knowing that it is for our good (Romans 8:28). It is against the tenth commandment to be discontent with our own estate. Paul said that "I would that all men were even as I myself" (1 Corinthians 7:7). This is not to mean that singleness is a better state than marriage, otherwise we should all become monks and nuns! Rather this verse must be used as a counterbalance to the verses mentioned in the editorial regarding marriage as honourable. Neither estate is better than the other now we have a fallen world. Both have their own peculiar miseries. Articles stating singleness as not being "normal" and that "normality" is all about getting married and procreating as much as possible, are unhelpful to say the least.

    The only response I got to this letter was that in the same issue, straight after my letter, an excerpt from Prof. David Engelsma’s book “Better to Marry” was printed which mentioned that the PRC did not believe single people were second-class Christians. I never said in my letter that the PRC did, but that they gave the strong impression that that was so. In any case, it was not the main point of my letter at all, which they completely ignored. Again, another frustrating lack of response.

    I was treated as an oddity by the PRC and BRF for writing this letter forever afterwards. I still today can’t see what I said that was wrong in it. Someone, please enlighten me!


    Worshipping at Home (1998-2003)

    After leaving Ebenezer, I then spent the next six years worshipping on my own at home, outside a visible manifestation of the church of Christ. Labelled with all the oddballs who call themselves “Christian” but believe all sorts of whacky ideas, and also don’t go anywhere to church. Yet I would rather have been in my position despite what people think of me.

    ...The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.”  Luke 9:22.

    I do not think there is any virtue in not joining with other believers just for the sake of it. That is not why I didn’t go to church. When I come across someone who is truly one of God’s people it is an excellent thing,

    Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron’s beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments; As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.”  Psalm 133.

    I worshipped God on His Holy Day by holding services on my own, listening to tapes of sermons, reading Christian books and joining with a few others later on in the day for a Catechism class, using the Westminster Shorter Catechism. This was purely an informal meeting, designed by one family to catechise their children, to which they invited visitors such as myself. We did not try to make it any more formal than this for fear of falling into the trap of becoming just another tinpot independent group.

    Why didn’t I join another church, you may ask? Well, show me a church where God is feared, and truth and righteousness loved and cherished. If one existed within striking distance of my home I would have been there like a shot every week!  Sadly this was not the case. We see again the problem I was mentioning earlier with regards decline in the worship. Nearly all churches nowadays have not only declined in the worship, but they seem to be worshipping a completely different god from the God they worshipped 40 years ago. Their god nowadays is a big daddy in the sky who loves all men, wants to give all men a gooey feeling in their heart if only they would let him (which they think they all have the ability to do), and exists solely for the worshipper’s sake (cf. Santa Claus). In contrast, a true church exists solely for the glory of God, not the worshipper.

    No church I knew of in North Wales then wanted to take God seriously. Where was there anywhere where the people feared God? Fear today is thought of as a negative thing, but in the Bible the true believer was known as the God-fearer:

    There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.” Job 1:1.

    Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.” Ecclesiastes 12:13.

    In fact he who does not fear God is the unbeliever!

    The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes.” Psalm 36:1.

    Up until about forty years ago there would have been some sense of the fear of God in a vast majority of the churches. One could disagree over all sorts of other things of course, no one church is perfect by any means, just as no one individual is perfect. However, there used to be some sort of semblance of seriousness in most of the churches then. Where is this the case now? Ministers laugh and joke with the congregation, the people come to church in casual wear (something they would never do if invited to Buckingham Palace to meet the Queen), and inane ditties are endlessly sung, all in the name of worshipping the one true God, who is a consuming fire. Some churches may be less excessive than others, but it is a general trend that in one generation, seriousness has disappeared. Show me a serious church where God is feared and I would go to it, even if I didn’t agree with every last jot and tittle of their theology, but not one in a thousand can be found in the land today. Once upon a time there was an Anglican church in every parish in which, even if the minister was unregenerate, one would still be able to worship acceptably there with psalms being sung and the Book of Common Prayer used. Now where can one like that be found? And I am the one who was being criticised for not going to a church any more!

    And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28.

    And where is humility? And the doctrine of Total Depravity, which keeps one humble all the time? Where it is not taught, arrogance will be king.

    Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD’S anger.” Zephaniah 2:3.

    He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?” Micah 6:8.

    And, where is trembling?

    ...to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.” Isaiah 66:2.

    Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.”  Isaiah 66:5.

    Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” Philippians 2:12.

    All of these things are now missing in favour of a “think positive” self-assertive, laid-back religion, which is not true religion at all, but merely mimics the philosophies of this vain empty world that is passing away. Self-abasement is the Christian way, not having a high “self-esteem”:

    Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.” Daniel 4:37.

    What I ask for is that all those who call themselves Christians would take God seriously. In Ebenezer Evangelical Church, after I had left, I heard that on one occasion, a visiting preacher asked the children a question. The question was “Who can tell me what the first two words of the Lord’s Prayer are?” Nobody knew. Most of those children had been going to the church ever since they were born, and none of them knew the answer to one of the simplest questions that could ever be asked. Most unbelievers could have answered that question! What are they teaching their children in the “Sunday school” these days? [By the way, the answer is “Our Father”].

    In 2003, after twenty years in North Wales, the Lord miraculously opened the door for me to move away from that area and gave me a job in Burnley, Lancashire. This was, in the Lord’s providence, in order for me to become a member in the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland congregation in Barnoldswick.

    Presbyterian Church, Kelbrook Road, Barnoldswick (Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland) (2003-2010)

    Now, surely, I had arrived in a perfect church! Yes, purity of worship, the Westminster Confession, a correct view on Sabbath transport, seriousness in worship. What more could I want!

    Yes, here I can go to church every week, and worship God in at least an outwardly acceptable manner. This was far more than I could do in Bangor or anywhere else I had ever been. But….

    Like every other visible church in existence, you have to fit in with a certain way of saying and doing things. You don’t really have fellowship in the church unless you are “one of them,” i.e. all the airs and graces, putting on the show that is required. I can’t put on a show; I just can’t do it. I could be in the church (any church) for a million years, and would never become like one of them. I want one person to be genuine with me, and I still haven’t found one.

    After a few years of being there, one minister in the church, rightly or wrongly, dared to put his head above the parapet and criticise the church. Oh dear! Whereas some good men tried to pacify the whole situation by trying to find a common solution, it became quite obvious that there was a small group of men, who were the power base in the church – those who had been born and brought up in the church, whose “baby” the church was, who bowed down and worshipped their great god “church” above all else – who were not going to give up until this minister was put out of the church altogether. They eventually leant on other members of Synod, and got sufficient majority to get their wish in a series of secret sessions of Synod over the space of a couple of years. And we, the laity, who are not party to anything that goes on in the secret society called “Synod,” are honestly expected to blindly follow the powers that be in the church and carry on as though they were wonderful and that nothing had happened.

    In the few years before the split in the Free Church of Scotland in 2000, allegations of adultery were made against one if its professors. Without going into the details, those making the accusations all eventually decided to form the Free Church (Continuing) and separate from the rest of the Free Church. Now, within the depleted Free Church, no-one is making any allegations any more, those making them have all left. And the church is continuing on its own sweet way assuming the completely false logic that now those making the allegations have gone, the allegations are therefore false. No. It is very convenient for the professor that there are no more people in his cosy little church making allegations any more, but unless the allegations themselves are fairly, thoroughly and completely investigated, we will never know whether he is innocent or guilty. The allegations still stand until this happens. Similarly in the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland, the minister who was deposed made allegations against a fellow minister, accusing him of lying. Again, look what happened. Rather that actually investigating the allegations directly, they sacked the minister making the allegations on a completely different charge. Now, conveniently, no-one is making allegations any more from within the church, so it is assumed throughout the church that the allegations were false. But the truth is that they have still not been investigated. If anyone made allegations against me and I was innocent of them, I couldn’t live with myself until the actual allegations had been investigated and I had been thoroughly vindicated. If the church threw out the person making the allegations, it would be nicely convenient for me, but I would still insist on the allegations being investigated, otherwise I could never actually ever be vindicated.

    Church courts behave in this manner all the time. How can the ordinary member cope when this sort of thing is happening everywhere?

    Whereas I agree with a vast majority of all the tenets of the F.P. church in doctrine and worship (which is why I joined it in the first place), their practice leaves an awful lot to be desired.

    This has made me begin thinking about the concept of “church membership,” and wondering if it is actually in the Bible at all. We have examples of people being excommunicated in the Bible, but that just means being banned from the sacraments, which should be the case for all open profligates anyway. The F.P. church say that the only criterion needed for membership is a “credible profession of Christ,” which is true, but in practice, to get in, you have to take on board all the other tenets as well. I do take these on board, so I get in. But, take for example just two issues: exclusive psalm-singing and Sabbath transport. On these two issues alone, 99.99999% of all truly born-again Christians would be excluded from membership, simply because they have not come to a knowledge of the truth on these particular issues yet. There is something fundamentally wrong here.

    All true Christians are growing in knowledge, and nobody will ever come to a perfect knowledge of everything whilst they are on this earth. We all begin the Christian life just as ignorant as I was in my years at Penrallt and before. I remember in those days travelling home from the morning service once and popping into a shop on the way home for a pint of milk. An unbeliever with me was horrified, and told me that “Christians shouldn’t go to a shop on a Sunday!” Now, I was thoroughly told off, and never did it again, but I did it in my ignorance of the fourth commandment, just as most people today would be ignorant of the issues of psalm-singing and Sabbath transport, yet they would still be truly born again of the Spirit of God. As it stands in the F.P. church, because of their exclusivity, members are not meeting anyone from any of the other churches who are truly born-again at all, and when they do, it is often with an air of superiority. They would never admit this, but that is certainly how it comes across. Most of my true brothers and sisters in Christ I simply was not meeting. And in the F.P.’s, unless you fit in with the way things are done, the show that has to be put on, and the blind obedience to Holy Synod that is required, you are sidelined. So it looks like time to move on again.

    Whilst at this church I was receiving the English Churchman, which is a very good newspaper for news. After a letter appeared from someone who stated that he had been a Christian for a very long time, but never made any friends in the many years he had been in church, I felt I needed to reply to agree with him:

    What a breath of fresh air it was to read the letter published in EC7683 from "Nobody's Friend". It blew away all the cobwebs that so easily beset us in the Christian life, and shewed forth the true human condition as it really is. "For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's" (Philippians 2:21). The doctrine of total depravity has been the one thing that has proved to me beyond doubt that Christianity is the only true religion.
    Put it this way. When God chose his elect from before the foundation of the world, what did he see in any one of them that caused him to choose them? The answer of course, to the true Calvinist, is: Nothing. Yet when it comes to human relationships, we are so prone to thinking that someone, somewhere will have something worth loving about them, whereas, in reality, this is just not the case. If we think that there is something lovable in anyone (including ourselves), we are seeing something in them that God simply does not see. This is, at best, delusion, and at worst, idolatry.
    The sooner we cease from man, whose breath is in his nostrils (Isaiah 2:22), the sooner we will see the utter wretchedness of this fallen world, and the more it will make us pant after heaven, wherein dwelleth righteousness, which is our true spiritual home anyway. We can never be too heavenly-minded
    .”

    This letter was published in EC 7684 March 2006, but, extremely annoyingly (although of course in the Lord's providence), when the letter appeared in the paper, it had been (probably mistakenly) edited. The end of the last sentence of the first paragraph and the beginning of the first sentence of the second paragraph had been cut out, thus rendering the first half of the letter absolutely meaningless. So anyone who read it would think that I was more stupid than I actually am. There was one letter on the subject published after mine, mainly responding to the original letter from the man who had never made friends in the church, but in passing they said that my letter was “sad.” The person who wrote it mentioned that they made teddy bears in their spare time. I wondered which one of us was the sad one.


    After Going to Church?

    I have never doubted my faith for a moment. I have backslidden at times, and certainly I could have done a LOT more than I have done for Christ. My sins are ever before me. May the good Lord forgive me. He has kept me thus far, and I can be assured He will keep me to the end, despite me being me. I have no doubts about my faith, and the fact that I am one of Christ’s redeemed people. Hallelujah! But, thirty-four years in various visible churches have almost brought me to the point of despair. All of these churches will seriously have to answer for that. Church is not a game to play, which just gives the players a bit of excitement and a huge social life. Going to church should be a joyful thing, where I go to publicly worship my Maker and Saviour. But I’ve been everywhere now, and there is nowhere left to go.

    Can we find a perfect church on this earth? Not at all. Everywhere we find elders with management / psychology "skills" who know how to politically manipulate the direction of the church, other members who blindly follow the great god "church" in all that it does, members who are mental cases, members who are only in it for the social life without an ounce of grace in them (usually the children of believers who have grown up in the church and know nothing else). I found these things in all these churches, and I have come to the conclusion that the Lord has, in His providence, concluded all churches in this particular age, in the United Kingdom at least, to be like this. One fundamental thing I MUST get across to everyone who reads this is that we are not to worship the great god "church" wherever we are.

    The true believer will always be “without the camp” (Hebrews 13:13).  I am convinced that this is his lot in this world. It is no good searching for a visible church that has all truth, for there is not one on the face of the earth. Don’t take the advice I have been given in the past, and move, giving up your job and everything, just to be near a decent church. It is not worth it. The Lord puts us all where we are for a purpose, and does not ordinarily move us on, unless in providence there is a good, overwhelming reason to do so. Trying to find a perfect church is not one of those reasons. We go, if we can, to a nearby public assembly to worship God. We are called to do this (Hebrews 10:25) for our mutual edification if at all possible. But if we cannot, then so be it. Actual membership in a visible church is a waste of time, it will only lead to disappointment in the end. We trust solely in God to keep His little flock to the end.

    Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.” Luke 12:32.

    Be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” John 16:33.

    Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.” Hebrews 13:13,14.

    These promises, and others in the Scriptures, keep the true believer from utter despair. We get to heaven despite any visible church.



    I am not mad most noble Festus, but speak forth words of truth and soberness.” Acts 26:25.